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Watch: Second school-closings forum for West Philly

By the Notebook on Jan 23, 2013 06:04 PM


 

The regional school-closings meeting tonight will be held at University City High School. To be addressed are the schools in the District's West Planning AreaUniversity City HS, Robeson, A. Wilson, Leidy, and McMichael.

Watch the meeting live, above, starting at 6 p.m. and discuss in the comments. 

 

Remaining Facilities Master Plan meetings in January

Date

Time

Location

Recommendations to be Discussed

Thurs., Jan. 24

6 - 8 p.m.

 
Martin Luther King HS 6100 Stenton Ave.

 Northwest Planning Area

Roosevelt MS, Leeds MS, Edmonds, Pennypacker, Emlen, Logan, Kelly, Wister, Pennell, Cooke, Fulton, Kinsey, and McCloskey 

Tue., Jan. 29

6 - 8 p.m.

 
South Philadelphia HS 2101 S. Broad St. 

South-Central Planning Area

Bok Technical HS, Smith, Vare, and George Washington ES

Wed., Jan. 30

6 - 8 p.m.

 
Northeast HS
1601 Cottman Ave.

Northeast Planning Area

Carnell, Lawton, Stearne 

 

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Comments (354)

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 23, 2013 6:46 pm
Dr. Hite and his staff: Please stop patronizing the students that are speaking at community meetings. Don't compliment them for their questions, don't praise them for being on honor roll, don't tell them everything will be OK. It won't . These school closures are part of a political agenda, an agenda which is use these students as guinea pigs in a sick social engineering experiment.
Submitted by Joe (not verified) on January 23, 2013 7:37 pm
It's not an experiment. It's a business decision based exclusively on making money for non educator types who are business persons first, last and only. There's nothing social about it either, just a fly pattern to the bank every week. The kids have no names, just globs of protoplasm with dollar signs on their backs. Yes, I was at the meeting at Overbrook and Hite isn't even a good BSer. He's tough to take, I TOTALLY agree. Can you say, scumbag??
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Submitted by tom-104 on January 23, 2013 7:59 pm
About the live stream ads and pop-up ads: I know we live in a consumer society, but this is ridiculous. It is absurd that something so basic to our society like education must be trivialized with consumerism. We can watch a football game, a baseball game, a basketball game and commercials are timed when there is a pause in the action. For these community meeting, the commercials cut right into anyone who is speaking at random for a pitch for various businesses. When we get back to the meeting, the meeting has moved on and you missed something you wanted the hear. The pop-up ads are worse. If you click on the X to close them, you go a website for the ad. (The live cam of the eagle in southwest Florida was cool, but to interrupt a serious meeting, for real??) When you close the ad website you must relaunch the live stream and listen to another commercial, missing several minutes of the meeting. Is this noise deliberate to drive people away from the live stream or is this just incompetence and indifference to the speakers?
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 23, 2013 7:35 pm
this is ed rendell's fault. this is his legacy. the actions that have doomed the district we see crumbling are the work of mr.quick-fix. its a staight line...hornbeck...the a team (ackerman/archie)...all eddie's decision. now hite is stuck with cleaning up this mess.
Submitted by anonymous (not verified) on January 23, 2013 8:30 pm
Please stop defending Hite in any way. He agreed to take this job. He is not stuck with anything. He chooses to be here and do what he is doing. He does not get a pass.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 23, 2013 8:20 pm
please stop blaming someone who had nothing to do with this problem while excusing the guy who had everything to do with it. hite would have no credibility without first doing some serious slashing. his mistake is not being honest about the totality of the cuts. it'll be a lot more than 37 schools. people won't like the constant drip of closures. go long, you can always cut back.
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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 23, 2013 8:05 pm
It's funny most of the people complaining are teachers. Stop crying! Many of you are tenured and will retire at 55 with full pensions and benefits all paid for by the tax payer. There will just be less of you that's all
Submitted by tom-104 on January 23, 2013 8:55 pm
Our retirement age is 62 or 35 years of service for a full pension.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 23, 2013 9:03 pm
We contribute far more to our pension - 7.5% - than Philadelphia city workers and state workers. We pay for our pension! It is suppose to be "matched" by the School District just like most private employers "match" their employees contributions to retirement.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 24, 2013 12:17 am
it's a generous retirement plan by any measurement. defined benefit plans like this have been gone from the private sector for 30 years. it'll break the state if not changed.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 24, 2013 6:11 am
And lowering workers living standards while creating another windfall for Wall Street has been great for our economy, right? Those who don't know history (the Depression) are doomed to repeat it!
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 24, 2013 6:34 am
and generals are always fighting the last war. this is a new day. join it!
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 24, 2013 7:08 am
401K's are the downfall of the middle class - read Don Barlett and Jim Steele on The Betrayal of the American Dream and the Double-Edged Sword of Free Trade http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2012/07/don-barlett-jim-steele-th...
Submitted by Education Grad Student (not verified) on January 25, 2013 12:07 am
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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 24, 2013 9:17 pm
A clueless non-teacher's remark. 65 is retirement age and some politicians want to raise it to 70 now. Our pensions are also being attacked by former Sec. of PA Ed head, Zogby, who went onto work for William Bennett and is now in the finance dept. for the state.
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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 24, 2013 5:25 am
Good for Robeson for making such an amazing effort. Sad that they used up almost all the time so that over a dozen speakers were still standing in line at the end, including parents from schools which didn't have a chance to speak.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 24, 2013 9:18 am
Yes, they need to do a better job of balancing the students' need to speak before their curfew and making sure the various communities get heard. Especially if they refuse to have individual meetings with the schools and force five or six schools to share the same meeting. It's not the first FMP meeting or the first time that has happened but their inaction seems to suggest they don't care about hearing from everyone.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 24, 2013 10:09 am
Penn Alexander parents not only get a private audience with Dr. Hite but no press were allowed to attend. Guess it all depends on who you are...
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 24, 2013 11:13 am
Unfortunately, I don't think we've seen the end of the breathless coverage of the Penn Alexander issue. There are definitely follow up stories in the works. However, the media already seems quite bored of the school closings story. Look at the Notes from the News today - no coverage of last night's meeting at all!
Submitted by ANON 452 (not verified) on January 24, 2013 12:28 pm
Pittsburgh and Allentown papers are covering the whole entire school closing and PSSA issues way better than the Philadelphia main stream media. Sort of disgraceful! http://yinzercation.wordpress.com/ http://www.mcall.com/news/local/mc-pa-charter-school-ayp-20130122,0,5678...
Submitted by Another English Teacher (not verified) on January 24, 2013 11:30 am
Robeson Teacher Here. Our school only has two meetings to get our point across, unless we crash another one. I don't think we were terribly frivolous or repetitive. I was great to here from the University City alums (I had no idea about the history). I definitely feel they either need to extend the meeting OR extend the students' transpass hours. I had to haggle with two SEPTA employees to get my guys home. And, PSA here - if someone isn't willing to post their name when they make claims about teachers, they're not worth an argument. Kindly do not feed the Trolls.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 24, 2013 9:30 am
You also work 9 months a year and have great benefits at taxpayer expense. Some schools have to close in order for some of you to keep those perks and benefits. . You all complain about the charters and how bad they are yet for parents such as myself whose child goes to Greenwoods Charter they have been a blessing.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 24, 2013 10:24 am
I see why you think Greenwoods Charter is a "blessing". Look at the composition of this class. http://www.greenwoodscharter.org/students.asp (Sorry for using a picture, the School District website does not provide demographic profiles for charters, only for public schools.)
Submitted by Real (not verified) on January 24, 2013 10:12 am
Ha ha ha! That's awesome. Check out their student leadership team: http://www.greenwoodscharter.org/about-greenwoodscharter/slt.asp In addition, it seems that their teachers only work nine months as well...and at taxpayers' expenses.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 24, 2013 9:16 pm
We work the majority of June which is the tenth month of the school year. Any schooling I have gotten to get another degree I paid without any help from the school district or clueless posters like yourself. If it's such a cushy job why aren't you scrambling for a position or are you afraid to do some real work to earn your money?
Submitted by Joe (not verified) on January 24, 2013 10:14 pm
Yes, those pictures tell a thousand words, don't they? They don't even bother to have a token minority in the group. Kind of like The Republican Party but even worse. Hite's meeting privately with the Penn Alexander Group is also shameless. You just can't make this stuff up. Thanks for posting the pictures.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 25, 2013 6:18 am
Thats an awesome leadership team! The students are well behaved and if their is a problem the teachers have excellent parental support. As parents we support our school as much as possible and because of the outstanding support the school thrives. The school has increased its enrollment and is building a brand new school set to open in September with an additional 500 seats. (how dare they) If the parents of the schools that are closing took as much interest in their childrens education as we do the problems the other schools have would be fewer. Without good parents schools are doomed to fail
Submitted by Mark (not verified) on January 25, 2013 7:37 am
You spelled "there" wrong. What kinds of problems are there with the teachers? I'm sorry to hear about that.
Submitted by Ms.Cheng (not verified) on January 25, 2013 9:23 am
You are right about parental involvement, but the schools on the closure list aren't there for not having parental involvement. I know a parent with a child (my son's good friend in fact) at Robeson, and she's definitely involved. As much so as the good parents at Cook Wissahickon, just down the street from Green Woods, who pulled that school "up from its bootstraps". There are multiple factors, not the least of which is the City's massive loss of children ages 5 to 14 in the past 10 years. I hope Green Woods does achieve better diversity, including socioeconomic in the future. Environmental education in the City is a good thing. I went to my neighborhood (nondiverse) school in the suburbs, and that's definitely something I did NOT want for my children.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 25, 2013 5:30 am
Oh The Race Card. Got to love it! Its a Great school not because of race, but because it has staff and parents that are involved everyday in their childrens education. The school is building a new building that will allow an additional 500 students.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 25, 2013 6:43 am
To achieve a demographic like Greenwood has in a city which is majority African-American there must be a conscious policy of excluding African-Americans. Of course we don't really know how that happens because there is little transparency or oversight about such things with charters even though they claim to be "public schools".
Submitted by linda (not verified) on January 24, 2013 7:19 pm
Sorry to break it to you but we work: 1]Sept 6]Feb 2]Oct 7]Mar 3]Nov 8]Apr 4]Dec 9]May 5]Jan 10]Jun. that's ten months....not to mention the after school, before school and summer school programs, PD and additional education we get on our own time. Add to that the thousands of dollars we spend/beg for grants on supplies for other peoples children who for whatever reason seem to think that it is also our job to have those items as well. Linda K.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 25, 2013 5:22 am
how about between june15th and September 1st ? I have nothing against good teachers. I do have something against teachers that cry and whine and complain about how bad they have it.
Submitted by Linda K. (not verified) on January 25, 2013 10:57 pm
We in the SDP do not get out of school June 15 and we do not go back on Sept 1st....Often it is June 20 and beyond for teaching and a start back date with August 28-29 for PD and readiness for students. Why? We do are not given any time during the teaching day to prep our rooms, prep lessons, gather classrooom student data etc because the SDP has meetings for everyone: teachers, NTA, counselors, Administrators secretaries etc..... Summer school is for just that summer and as you may know the schools have teachers to teach at that time.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 25, 2013 5:41 am
Paid for by yourself because you know that you get a large increase in salary with a masters. It pays for itself in the long run, stop crying
Submitted by Linda K. (not verified) on January 25, 2013 10:14 pm
Okay, I see that this person named Anonymous is just ill and does not understand 1. when we work 2. what we pay to get our education 3. what we pay to stay up on the latest and then attend required PD 4. what we spend on students [depending if you are a classroom teacher of 33 or an expressive arts or highschool teacher where you may have 200 to 600 students to consider with all of their needs and issues in addition to just doing the job of teaching] and with that said I can only pray that you are able to get some help from someone in that your view of the world is skewed and I am sure that you did not ask to be born with whatever issue that you are dealing with...whatever it is..... please take care and do not let your attitude cause harm to yourself or anyone else. Linda K.
Submitted by Linda K. (not verified) on January 25, 2013 10:09 pm
by the way, when you say "paid for by yourself "do you honestly expect 1] a surgeon to purchase surgical instruments for surgery? 2] the cop to get the standard issue gun? 3] the fireman to buy the hose and rig for fires? I am just asking how you justify teachers having to buy text books, pencils, paper, and other teaching supplies snacks and personal items including sanitary napkins, deoderant, toilet paper and tissues for STUDENTS to use the rest rooms in the SDP. Would you be willing to help a school in the SDP? We need help be it volunteer or professional.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 25, 2013 6:41 am
Stop Crying!
Submitted by Jack (not verified) on January 25, 2013 6:44 am
The Anonymous teabaggers are at it again. If you think teachers have it sooooo great, step on up and take a classroom. The PSD needs you. Teachers in a way have to complain/respond because of people like you who bash the profession. Come on in and spend money for supplies like paper and copybooks. Come on in so you can bring in your family's old clothes to give to one of your students who is homeless. Come on in so you can bring in snacks to kids who don't eat properly. No complaining. Just doing the job in urban, inner-city education. Urban inner-city education is hard and takes work. If we didn't like it, we would have left long ago. Don't forget to take your tin foil hats when you leave the house this morning.....
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 24, 2013 10:03 am
I will never understand the level of disrespect individuals hold toward the teaching profession. I as a proud Philadelphia school teacher not only work during the summer (planning and preparing for the upcoming school year, ESY, summer camp) but I take post graduate courses both during the summer as well as during the school year. I come to school an hour early every school day and will then spend time away from my family most nights and on the weekends planning, thinking, and worrying about my students. To say I only work 9 months a year is incorrect!
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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on February 28, 2013 9:54 pm
there are some nice perks to being a teacher. I have a few friends that are teachers. One uses her husbands health benefits and recieves a nice fat check at the end of the year for doing so. June 15th - September 1st. Thats a nice little break every holiday and two weeks built in for winter and spring break The horror of it all.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on February 28, 2013 10:15 pm
Aw, jealous? Come on over to my school and take my job! I dare ya! You'll run! Besides, you can work for my 13% pay cut, pay for your benefits, and pay for school suppies. The HORROR OF IT ALL IDIOT
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